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LAC-2017-9 moved from introduction and version 1 on 7 August 2017 to a recorded accepted decision on 6 December 2017. Version 1 is also recorded with raw status "Implemented," normalized as accepted, but the supplied evidence does not include the policy text, operative changes, affected parties, or implementation effects.
The subject of any debate cannot be determined from the supplied evidence. No messages, participant stances, arguments, objections, or rationales are recorded, so the evidence establishes an accepted outcome but not the substantive issue contested or the reasons for acceptance.
A formal outcome is observable, while discussion is not. The chronology records acceptance on 6 December 2017, but the participation dataset contains zero messages, zero discussion participants, zero active days, zero stance participants, and zero stance transitions. This does not prove that no debate occurred; it means no debate is observable in the supplied dataset.
Participation concentration cannot be substantively assessed. The zero HHI and zero top-1, top-5, and top-10 message shares describe an empty message distribution, not broad or balanced participation. One formal actor is recorded, but that actor is unidentified and cannot be treated as evidence that substantive decision power was concentrated.
The only observable process chokepoint is the formal transition to acceptance on 6 December 2017. The evidence does not identify the decision rule, consensus assessment, vote, responsible actor, or rationale at that stage. The single formal actor may represent administration, publication, or decision activity, so it does not establish control over the outcome. The relationship between the version 1 "Implemented" label dated 7 August and the later acceptance decision also remains unexplained.
Public discussion
2 Discussion messages · 2 Entities
Source facts ↗Last research attempt: Sep 17, 2026
Identity verified: Oct 11, 2026
Name: Jordi Palet Martínez Email: [email protected] Organization: The IPv6 Companypoliticas.lacnic.net
Verified public profiles
First explicit stance: Support → Latest explicit stance: Support · Stance changes: 0
Viewpoint consistency: Mixed
The main policy objectives remain coherent: usable address plans without avoidable renumbering, meaningful participation in consensus, and functional abuse contacts. The record also contains real, explained changes in mechanisms, including withdrawal of the separate non-ISP category in favor of a common allocation rule. One university example contains unresolved end-user classification language, so the record should not be described as uniformly consistent in every detail. Procedural replies and single contributions cannot establish a lasting substantive position, and quoted disagreements are not the author's own votes.
Modify direct IPv6 address assignments to end users
Assessment: Insufficient evidence to assess consistency · The author accepts clearer old-and-new text and a stronger rationale while deliberately separating the allocation-size question from the two changes being proposed. This one reply shows willingness to refine the proposal, but supplies no sequence from which to assess a reversal or durable consistency.
Conditions: Support for this limited change does not endorse a separate size change or every later draft.
Mi idea en esta propuesta es SOLO tocar los dos puntos indicados.
Modify the size of initial IPv6 allocations
Assessment: Consistent · From March 2016 through May 2017 the author seeks an aggregated, realistic IPv6 plan for government and other nontraditional networks. His preferred mechanism evolves: he first argues for differentiated non-ISP treatment, offers an alternative at the community's request, and finally abandons this proposal because the common mechanism serves the same objective with less complexity. The withdrawal is explained rather than an unexplained rejection of the objective.
Conditions: The initial willingness to withdraw depended on staff confirming that the existing rule already permitted the case; it was not an actual March withdrawal. · The later report of community consensus is not independent evidence of final ratification or implementation. · Claims about government allocations and regional experience are the author's examples and assertions.
Y creo que no es conveniente tener tantas pol?ticas como ?casos?.
Mi propuesta pretende aclarar esta situacion, con una categoria nueva diferente de ISP, aunque es muy similar a un ISP.
que evitamos con un solo mecanismo para justificar los recursos
Modify the size of initial IPv6 allocations
Assessment: Consistent · The November correction changes the stated horizon from the organization's life expectancy to the allocation's expected longevity. The author acknowledges an overlooked drafting error and explains why the latter better bounds the addressing plan. This is a real correction with an explanation, not evidence that every earlier version already said the same thing.
Conditions: The author's account of his original intention cannot erase the earlier organization-longevity wording.
El plan de direccionamiento ha de tener en cuenta la longevidad prevista de la organizaci?n.
nunca fue la intenci?n que la longevidad fuera de la organizaci?n, sino de la distribuci?n inicial
Modify the size of initial IPv6 allocations
Assessment: Mixed · The August university example calls a university with several providers not an end user, yet immediately says each university could obtain its own /32 under the end-user policy. Elsewhere the distinction turns on assigning resources to separate organizations. The example therefore contains an unresolved classification ambiguity; it does not establish that multihoming alone changes an organization into an LIR.
Conditions: This concerns the precision of the example, not a demonstrated reversal of the objective of aggregated national-network addressing. · No supplied follow-up expressly reconciles those two descriptions of the university.
necesita direccionamiento propio y obviamente NO es un usuario final.
Si aplican a la pol?tica de usuario final, podr?an obtener, cada una de ellas su propio /32.
asignar direcciones? a terceros
Modify the size of initial IPv6 allocations
Assessment: Consistent · The author presents the common ISP/LIR rule as an explicit alternative, explains its longer-horizon planning benefit, and later favors it over separate categories because it achieves the shared aim more simply. Offering two mutually exclusive community choices is not support for adopting conflicting rules simultaneously.
Conditions: This entails a change from preserving the commercial-ISP time limit to accepting a common mechanism; the design preference did evolve. · The source describes community consensus, not proof of all subsequent implementation steps.
Mi idea es ofrecer AMBAS alternativas para que la comunidad decida.
Por supuesto que la idea no es que se aprueben las dos, sino una u otra.
v?lido para ambos casos.
Rectifying the size of initial allocations
Assessment: Consistent · The sequence consistently supports a one-time correction of an inadequate initial IPv6 allocation to avoid renumbering. It preserves the ordinary subsequent-allocation procedure, acknowledges that contiguous space may not remain available, and leaves end-user inclusion open if relevant cases are presented. Encouraging discussion is separate from this substantive advocacy.
Conditions: The residential /64 remark is a reductio, not a recommendation to reduce customer assignments. · The /33 example and worldwide adoption fraction are not independently established technical or statistical evidence. · Future contiguous allocations are not guaranteed.
No se trata de evitar que haya ?nuevas asignaciones? en el futuro, pero si dar la oportunidad de ?corregir? la primera por una sola vez.
ser?a muy sencillo actualizar la propuesta para incluir ese caso.
ahora pague por ello el cliente.
Reducing the last-call-for-comments period in LACNIC's Policy Development Process.
Assessment: Consistent · The author repeats a preference for 30 calendar days, finds discretionary chair-adjusted intervals too subjective, and then proposes a broader list-based consensus process. The broader process discussion does not endorse the specific 20-day option or retract the stated 30-day preference within this exchange.
Conditions: The comparative timing list is supplied by another participant. · The claimed benefits of avoiding meeting delays are advocacy, not measured outcomes.
creo que 30 d?as naturales ser?a suficiente y siempre m?s f?cil de contar.
Me refuerza en mi punto de vista de 30 d?as.
la decisi?n del consenso (igual que en IETF) se toma en la lista, no en el meeting
MODIFYING INITIAL IPv6 ALLOCATIONS TO END USERS
Assessment: Insufficient evidence to assess consistency · The single contribution welcomes correction of an end user's initial allocation while proposing clearer language about contiguous expansion, unavailable adjacent space, and the choice to renumber earlier. It establishes a conditional design preference, not longitudinal consistency or endorsement of every provision.
Conditions: The suggested wording is a proposal, not evidence that it was incorporated into an adopted text.
Me parece buena idea la propuesta, sin embargo, tengo una duda.
que si lo desea renumere ahora en lugar de luego
Modifying "Subsequent Allocation" for IPv6
Assessment: Insufficient evidence to assess consistency · The author advocates aligning subsequent IPv6 allocation criteria with the revised initial-allocation criteria so earlier recipients are not disadvantaged. Only one contribution is supplied, so persistence or reversal within this proposal cannot be assessed.
Conditions: The quoted announcement distinguishes consensus from pending board ratification; the author's shorthand about approval does not prove implementation.
Mi propuesta simplemente incorpora *el mismo* texto que se aprob? para las distribuciones iniciales en las distribuciones subsiguientes
Simplifying the PDP (Mailing List + Forum Option)
Assessment: Insufficient evidence to assess consistency · This contribution supports a substantive rather than numerical understanding of consensus and associates that objective with the author's PDP proposal. It does not reproduce all the process provisions or provide a time series of positions on this proposal.
Conditions: The definition quoted from the PDP is attributed material; the author's explicit endorsement is the evidence of his position. · No stance on an unrelated later proposal follows from the discussion.
para evitar que se entienda como "mas votos" a favor o "en contra", cuando en realidad quiere decir que no haya objeciones que no sean respondidas.
Assessment: Insufficient evidence to assess consistency · The author supports removing the IPv4 end-user multihoming requirement and explains that this component was split from a combined proposal after feedback. This single statement cannot show whether the position persisted or changed later.
Conditions: The alignment with IPv6 is his stated rationale. · Neither the split nor the request for feedback establishes consensus on this component.
La LAC-2018-11, simplemente elimina el requisito de multihoming para IPv4 para ser usuario final
Assessment: Insufficient evidence to assess consistency · The author regards an explicit restart clause as redundant but accepts wording that restarts the eight-week discussion period in every case. Calling it a clarification while accepting it is not opposition, but one reply cannot establish consistency across subsequent revisions.
Conditions: A proposed revision or offered new version is not proof of adoption. · The rule being discussed is a failed-consensus restart, not the length of last call.
Luego, bajo mi punto de vista, es *redundante* poner que se reinician los plazos.
En cualquier caso, se reiniciar?a el plazo de debate de 8 semanas.
Review and correction of errors in the IPv6 policy
Assessment: Insufficient evidence to assess consistency · The author supplies a comparison link and explains its colors to facilitate review. The message contains neither the comparison itself nor a substantive sequence of positions, so it cannot support a finding about consistency of the proposed IPv6 corrections.
Conditions: Authorship and assistance with presentation are not endorsement of every unseen change.
La columna de la izquierda es el texto de la pol?tica actual (color rojo), y la de la derecha (color verde), como quedar?a con los cambios que propongo.
Registration and validation of abuse contact
Assessment: Consistent · Across the discussion the author continues to seek registered, usable abuse contacts and periodic validation. He accepts clarification of validation triggers, discusses longer intervals and grace periods, and considers splitting disputed components. By September he favors stating the validation objective while leaving the operational procedure to LACNIC. Those are substantive refinements around a persistent objective.
Conditions: The final interval and precise consequences of failed validation are not settled by these replies. · General agreement with a suggested revision does not adopt every sanction in the quoted reply. · Predictions of court victories and civil liability remain the author's historical claims, not verified legal conclusions.
Totalmente de acuerdo en lo que propones del punto 12.4
Que se verifican autom?ticamente cada cierto tiempo, con un proceso automatizado desde LACNIC
es mejor que el procedimiento lo defina LACNIC.
Registration and validation of abuse contact
Assessment: Consistent · The objection to automated abuse contacts concerns systems that ignore email and force victims into incompatible forms. The author expressly supports automatic initial reports and automatic or semi-automatic processing that responds. Read together, the broad phrase against automation is qualified by this functional distinction, not a ban on all automation.
Conditions: Claims about reporting volume, regional response rates, and negligible validation cost are not measured evidence in this corpus. · The proposal distinguishes common reporting access from the ISP's own contractual treatment of a customer.
eso implica que no sean automatizados
Lo razonable es que el primer contacto de abuso, por parte de la v?ctima, pueda ser procesado de forma autom?tica.
procesar ese email de forma autom?tica o semi-autom?tica y RESPONDEN.
Assessment: Consistent · The author consistently prioritizes participation in consensus by the whole community. His initial list-only design would remove the expedited track, but he subsequently offers to retain forum presentation and the expedited process, or combine list and forum, if remote participants have equal standing. This is a conditional compromise, not abandonment of the objective.
Conditions: The offered changes are not evidence that a revised text was actually published or approved. · Replacing the word discriminatory with exclusionary softens the description without removing the stated objection. · The illustrative participation percentages and accounts of prior forums are not independently verified measurements.
El objetivo es que el consenso se alcance en la lista, y no en el foro
y entonces mantener el proceso expeditivo
hacer que el consenso sea de lista+foro en lugar de solo lista o solo foro
Clarifications of Sub-Assignments
Assessment: Insufficient evidence to assess consistency · The author seeks an exception for temporary addressing of guests, employees or students while retaining the distinction from permanent connectivity service. He explicitly asks whether to cap that exception at a /64 or leave size open. Presenting these alternatives does not choose either one, and there is no later position here to compare.
Conditions: Other regions are contextual references, not evidence that a particular LACNIC alternative was adopted.
La diferencia es limitar esto a un m?ximo de un /64, o dejarlo abierto.
Update to the Policy on IPv4 Assignments to End Users
Assessment: Consistent · The May contribution defends avoiding disruptive end-user renumbering; the August explanation preserves that objective while describing the simplified transfer component after the multihoming question was separated. The split changes the packaging, not the stated purpose of enabling the existing user to keep its addressing.
Conditions: The quoted participant's uncertainty is not the author's own neutral position. · An ISP proposal's reported consensus does not establish consensus for the end-user proposal.
un end-user puede tener requisitos que le impiden renumerar
un ISP "ceda" con un sistema simplificado de transferencias, el direccionamiento al usuario final que lo usa.
Update to the Policy on Initial IPv4 Allocations to ISPs
Assessment: Consistent · The author repeatedly defends voluntary transfer of the same addressing to avoid renumbering and argues that the routing and cost consequences are comparable to ordinary transfers. The later offer to replace ceder with transferir makes his intended mechanism explicit rather than reversing it.
Conditions: His routing-equivalence argument is contested advocacy, not an independently measured network outcome. · The half-joking routing-table remark is not a policy commitment; the rhetorical question about abolishing transfers is not a repeal proposal. · The participating organizations must agree and an authorized representative must approve; no unilateral right is asserted.
tiene que haber acuerdo entre ambas partes.
pero resuelve el problema de evitar la renumeraci?n.
poner transferir en lugar de ceder.
Assessment: Insufficient evidence to assess consistency · The author acknowledges missing a response deadline and agrees that further versions may be needed. This procedural exchange does not establish support for every chair-election provision, a substantive reversal, or a declaration of consensus.
Conditions: A preference for immediate replies is not a position on each election rule. · A shared email subject does not by itself attribute a stance on another proposal.
Mi respuesta no negaba una versi?n 2 o 3 o las que hagan falta
Update to “Resource Recovery and Return” and consistency with the rest of the Manual
Assessment: Insufficient evidence to assess consistency · The author favors a side-by-side comparison tool, downloadable text and PDF, and room for exceptional formats. This is agreement about how to discuss a proposal, not evidence of support or opposition to its resource-recovery provisions or a later policy outcome.
Conditions: No substantive recovery-rule consistency judgment can be inferred from agreement with the tooling suggestion.
Yo desde luego votar?a por un sistema que muestre ?lado a lado? en la web
Modify the size of initial IPv6 allocations · Modify the size of initial IPv6 allocations
Assessment: Consistent · The separate-category and common-rule proposals are competing mechanisms for the same planning objective. The author expressly presents them as alternatives, then explains abandoning the more complex category approach after the common rule received community support. The record documents a reasoned change in preferred mechanism rather than simultaneous contradictory commitments.
Conditions: A consistent objective does not mean identical eligibility criteria across the two designs. · The final implementation status is outside what these statements establish.
Mi idea es ofrecer AMBAS alternativas para que la comunidad decida.
esta pol?tica se abandona, porque el objetivo que persegu?a se cumple igualmente con la LAC-2016-7
Rectifying the size of initial allocations · MODIFYING INITIAL IPv6 ALLOCATIONS TO END USERS
Assessment: Consistent · The initial-correction discussion explicitly leaves end-user inclusion open if cases are raised. The later welcome for an end-user correction mechanism is compatible with that openness and with the repeated concern about avoidable renumbering; it is not a reversal from categorical exclusion of end users.
Conditions: The two proposals address different recipient classes. · The emails do not independently establish the frequency of end-user cases.
ser?a muy sencillo actualizar la propuesta para incluir ese caso.
Me parece buena idea la propuesta, sin embargo, tengo una duda.
Modify the size of initial IPv6 allocations · Modifying "Subsequent Allocation" for IPv6
Assessment: Consistent · Support for a common initial-allocation rule is followed by advocacy of matching subsequent-allocation criteria, expressly to avoid disadvantaging earlier recipients. These are complementary positions on the same planning issue.
Conditions: The comparison concerns the author's rationale, not proof of ratification or deployment.
v?lido para ambos casos.
dejar?a en desventaja a quien haya obtenido una distribuci?n inicial *antes* de la reciente aprobaci?n del cambio.
Rectifying the size of initial allocations · Modifying "Subsequent Allocation" for IPv6
Assessment: Consistent · Saying the initial-correction proposal does not change subsequent allocations is a statement about that proposal's scope. Advocating a separate subsequent-allocation revision later does not contradict it or promise that the rules would never change.
Conditions: Distinct proposals and dates must remain separate.
no cambiamos, con esta propuesta, subsiguientes asignaciones
el texto de subsiguientes distribuciones, al probarse este cambio, queda desfasado.
Reducing the last-call-for-comments period in LACNIC's Policy Development Process. · Simplification of the PDP
Assessment: Consistent · The 2017 preference for list-based consensus carries into the later PDP redesign and its equal-participation rationale. Details do change: the earlier preference is 30 calendar days, while the later outline gives a four-week last call. The later emphasis on inclusion rather than speed narrows the stated priority without negating the earlier observation that meetings can delay a decision.
Conditions: Do not describe the two timing specifications as identical. · The asserted benefits and participation problems are the author's reasoning, not measured causal findings.
creo que 30 d?as naturales ser?a suficiente y siempre m?s f?cil de contar.
ello permite participar a quienes no necesariamente viajan
un "last call" de 4 semanas
El objetivo principal es facilitar la participaci?n de *toda la comunidad* en igualdad de condiciones
Simplifying the PDP (Mailing List + Forum Option) · Simplification of the PDP
Assessment: Consistent · The later explanation that consensus is not a count of votes matches the earlier PDP reform argument for evaluating substantive objections and including list participants. No reversal of that conception of consensus is shown.
Conditions: Endorsement of this principle does not establish agreement with every procedural provision.
para evitar que se entienda como "mas votos" a favor o "en contra"
definir "consenso" (que no es un cuenteo de votos).
Update to the Policy on IPv4 Assignments to End Users · Update to the Policy on Initial IPv4 Allocations to ISPs
Assessment: Consistent · Both the ISP and end-user discussions pursue retention of existing addressing through an agreed transfer to avoid renumbering. The author separates the recipient classes while using the same operational rationale; support in one discussion is not evidence of consensus in the other.
Conditions: The effect on routing remains a debated claim.
un end-user puede tener requisitos que le impiden renumerar
pero resuelve el problema de evitar la renumeraci?n.
Remove the reference to an applicant's multihomed status from the policy on IPv4 assignments to end users · Update to the Policy on IPv4 Assignments to End Users
Assessment: Consistent · The author explains dividing the combined end-user proposal into transfer and multihoming components after community feedback. Supporting both as separate proposals is coherent; it does not imply either had been adopted.
Conditions: This is an explicitly described change in proposal structure, not an inferred change from a shared subject line.
afrontara cada problema con una propuesta especifica y as? lo hice ese mismo d?a.
La LAC-2018-11, simplemente elimina el requisito de multihoming para IPv4 para ser usuario final
Modify the size of initial IPv6 allocations · Clarifications of Sub-Assignments
Assessment: Consistent · The earlier end-user/LIR distinction concerns assignment to separate institutions in a national network. The later sub-assignment clarification explicitly distinguishes temporary guest or employee connectivity from permanent service. These scopes can coexist; the later temporary-use exception does not establish that permanent distribution to other organizations was reclassified as end-user use.
Conditions: The imprecise university wording in the earlier example remains an uncertainty, not a basis for a categorical identity rule. · The later message leaves the /64 size alternative undecided.
El gobierno aplicar?a por end user SI la asignaci?n de direcciones fuera SOLO a entidades de la MISMA entidad
Simplemente se considera que debe ser "temporal" y por tanto no un servicio de "banda ancha".
Review and correction of errors in the IPv6 policy · Update to “Resource Recovery and Return” and consistency with the rest of the Manual
Assessment: Consistent · Providing a policy diff and later favoring side-by-side comparisons show a compatible preference for making textual changes easier to inspect. That narrow presentation preference supplies no evidence of consistency on the substantive IPv6 or resource-recovery provisions.
Conditions: Only the presentation practice is compared here.
La columna de la izquierda es el texto de la pol?tica actual (color rojo)
Yo desde luego votar?a por un sistema que muestre ?lado a lado? en la web
[LACNIC/Politicas] Nueva propuesta LAC-2017-9 / Nova proposta LAC-2017-9 / New proposal LAC-2017-9
Mi propuesta simplemente incorpora *el mismo* texto que se aprob? para las distribuciones iniciales en las distribuciones subsiguientes, como se ha hecho tambi?n recientemente en RIPE.
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Latest captured: Sep 23, 2026
