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A proposal to lower the IPv4 minimum allocation size and initialallocation criteria in the AsiaPacificregion

Start here for the proposal-by-proposal record: what changed, why it mattered, who argued for what, how positions evolved, what was decided, and where the evidence still has gaps.

Source facts

Policy ID
prop-014
RIR
APNIC
Official status
Unknown
Normalized status
Unknown
Introduced
Jan 19, 2004
Last source update
Oct 15, 2026
Coverage
Partial

Who actually shaped the debate?

6Total participants
5Discussion contributors
1Formal actors
8Discussion messages
4Effective participants
100%Top-five discussion share
2People covering 50%
4People covering 80%

Policy evolution

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Debate timeline

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  2. Introduced

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Entities

Freshness: Stale
  1. Randy Bush
    Discussion messages3
    First activityJan 26, 2004
    Last activityJan 26, 2004
    First explicit stanceOppose
    Latest explicit stanceOppose
    Stance changes0
    Viewpoint consistencyInsufficient evidence to assess consistency
    Other policies3
    Freshness: Stale

    Last research attempt: Sep 28, 2026

    Identity verified: Sep 28, 2026

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    Randy Bush Executive Board Member
    www.ripe.net

    Verified public profiles

    Discussion messages
    3
    First activity
    Jan 26, 2004
    Last activity
    Jan 26, 2004
    First explicit stance
    Oppose
    Latest explicit stance
    Oppose
    Stance changes
    0
    Viewpoint consistency
    Insufficient evidence to assess consistency
    Other policies
    3

    First explicit stance: Oppose → Latest explicit stance: Oppose · Stance changes: 0

    Viewpoint consistency: Insufficient evidence to assess consistency

    The January 2004 routing discussion contains an objection to Secretariat-led prescription of ISP routing followed by technical contributions, with no withdrawal of that objection. The May 2008 NIR message is a jointly signed invitation to review another author's proposal. It does not establish a personal position on the NIR criteria to compare with the earlier objection.

    A proposal to lower the IPv4 minimum allocation size and initialallocation criteria in the AsiaPacificregion

    Assessment: Consistent · The initial institutional objection is followed by distinctions between routing and forwarding tables and by evidence about forwarding-table update costs. These technical contributions neither endorse the disputed policy approach nor retract the objection.

    Conditions: A change from an opposing comment to technical discussion is not, by itself, a change from opposition to support. · The technical claims are the author's contributions, not an independently verified assessment of every router implementation.

    putting forth a policy proposal (i just love that apnic bottom-up policy development) that tells isps how we should run our routing?

    on most i know, only forwarding tables are on line cards and routing tables are more centralized

    updating the fibs when a rib changed (due to ospf link change), took the majority of the time, i.e., more than spf calculation.

    Change in the criteria for the recognition of NIRs in the APNIC region

    Assessment: Insufficient evidence to assess consistency · Circulating the NIR proposal and inviting support, opposition and suggested changes is a procedural act. It provides no personal vote on the recognition criteria and no sequence of substantive positions from which to assess consistency.

    Conditions: The invitation is jointly signed; it must not be converted into separate personal endorsements by the chairs. · The proposal attributed to Kusumba Sridhar is not treated as the chairs' authored position.

    We invite you to review and comment on the proposal on the mailing list before the meeting.

    A proposal to lower the IPv4 minimum allocation size and initialallocation criteria in the AsiaPacificregion · Change in the criteria for the recognition of NIRs in the APNIC region

    Assessment: Insufficient evidence to assess consistency · An objection to Secretariat prescription of ISP routing in 2004 is not contradicted by inviting community review of NIR criteria in 2008. The latter supplies no substantive stance, so these different roles and subjects do not establish a cross-policy reversal or broad consistency.

    Conditions: Distinguish a personal criticism from a chair's invitation to an open policy discussion.

    putting forth a policy proposal (i just love that apnic bottom-up policy development) that tells isps how we should run our routing?

    We invite you to review and comment on the proposal on the mailing list before the meeting.

    1. Jan 26, 2004 · Oppose

      Re: [sig-policy]Proposal prop-014-v001.txt - Lowering minimum allocation size and criteria

      are you saying that what we have here is the apnic secretariat putting forth a policy proposal (i just love that apnic bottom-up policy development) that tells isps how we should run our routing? and am i misreading that you are being pejorative about our routing in some way that the exec-com does not like? puhleeze!

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    2. Jan 26, 2004 · Procedural or neutral

      Re: [sig-policy]Proposal prop-014-v001.txt - Lowering minimum allocation size and criteria

      maybe they are on some router models. on most i know, only forwarding tables are on line cards and routing tables are more centralized (but still possibly somewhat distributed on very large and/or redundant systems).

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    3. Jan 26, 2004 · Procedural or neutral

      Re: [sig-policy]Proposal prop-014-v001.txt - Lowering minimum allocation size and criteria

      it may be worth noting the work of greenberg et al., which showed that, for one vendor with whom you may be familiar, updating the fibs when a rib changed (due to ospf link change), took the majority of the time, i.e., more than spf calculation.

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    Per-policy stance timelines:prop-014 · Oppose · Consistentprop-033 · Unknown · No explicit position statedprop-050 · Unknown · No explicit position statedprop-060 · Unknown · Insufficient evidence to assess consistency

    Total policy messages: 34

  2. APNIC Secretariat · Identity unresolved
    Discussion messages2
    First activityMay 17, 2004
    Last activityJul 15, 2004
    First explicit stanceUnknown
    Latest explicit stanceUnknown
    Stance changes0
    Viewpoint consistencyNo explicit position stated
    Other policies11
  3. Jeff Williams · Identity unresolved
    Discussion messages1
    First activityJan 27, 2004
    Last activityJan 27, 2004
    First explicit stanceUnknown
    Latest explicit stanceUnknown
    Stance changes0
    Viewpoint consistencyInsufficient evidence to assess consistency
    Other policies0
  4. Philip Smith
    Discussion messages1
    First activityJan 28, 2004
    Last activityJan 28, 2004
    First explicit stanceUnknown
    Latest explicit stanceUnknown
    Stance changes0
    Viewpoint consistencyInsufficient evidence to assess consistency
    Other policies5
  5. Ahmad Alkazimy · Identity unresolved
    Discussion messages1
    First activityDec 18, 2003
    Last activityDec 18, 2003
    First explicit stanceSupport
    Latest explicit stanceSupport
    Stance changes0
    Viewpoint consistencyConsistent
    Other policies0
  6. APNIC Secretariat · Identity unresolved
    Discussion messages0
    First activityUnknown
    Last activityUnknown
    First explicit stanceUnknown
    Latest explicit stanceUnknown
    Stance changes0
    Viewpoint consistencyNo explicit position stated
    Other policies0

Sources and coverage

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