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A proposal to lower the IPv4 minimum allocation size and initialallocation criteria in the AsiaPacificregion

Start here for the proposal-by-proposal record: what changed, why it mattered, who argued for what, how positions evolved, what was decided, and where the evidence still has gaps.

Source facts

Policy ID
prop-014
RIR
APNIC
Official status
Unknown
Normalized status
Unknown
Introduced
Jan 19, 2004
Last source update
Oct 13, 2026
Coverage
Partial

Who actually shaped the debate?

6Total participants
5Discussion contributors
1Formal actors
8Discussion messages
4Effective participants
100%Top-five discussion share
2People covering 50%
4People covering 80%

Policy evolution

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Debate timeline

  1. Official version

    Official version

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  2. Introduced

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Entities

Freshness: Stale
  1. Randy Bush
    Discussion messages3
    First activityJan 26, 2004
    Last activityJan 26, 2004
    First explicit stanceOppose
    Latest explicit stanceOppose
    Stance changes0
    Viewpoint consistencyConsistent
    Other policies3
  2. APNIC Secretariat · Identity unresolved
    Discussion messages2
    First activityMay 17, 2004
    Last activityJul 15, 2004
    First explicit stanceUnknown
    Latest explicit stanceUnknown
    Stance changes0
    Viewpoint consistencyNo explicit position stated
    Other policies11
  3. Jeff Williams · Identity unresolved
    Discussion messages1
    First activityJan 27, 2004
    Last activityJan 27, 2004
    First explicit stanceUnknown
    Latest explicit stanceUnknown
    Stance changes0
    Viewpoint consistencyInsufficient evidence to assess consistency
    Other policies0
  4. Philip Smith
    Discussion messages1
    First activityJan 28, 2004
    Last activityJan 28, 2004
    First explicit stanceUnknown
    Latest explicit stanceUnknown
    Stance changes0
    Viewpoint consistencyInsufficient evidence to assess consistency
    Other policies5
    Freshness: Stale

    Last research attempt: Sep 21, 2026

    Identity verified: Sep 25, 2026

    Cisco Systems · Historical
    Philip Smith Cisco Systems
    conference.apnic.net
    · Historical
    Philip Smith
    lacnic.net
    Cisco Systems · Historical
    Philip Smith | pfs at cisco.com | Cisco Systems
    lists.afrinic.net
    Discussion messages
    1
    First activity
    Jan 28, 2004
    Last activity
    Jan 28, 2004
    First explicit stance
    Unknown
    Latest explicit stance
    Unknown
    Stance changes
    0
    Viewpoint consistency
    Insufficient evidence to assess consistency
    Other policies
    5

    First explicit stance: Unknown → Latest explicit stance: Unknown · Stance changes: 0

    Viewpoint consistency: Insufficient evidence to assess consistency

    Philip defends a framework for experimental allocations in 2002, questions the claimed origin of an IPv4 proposal in 2004, and requests substantial clarification of an NIR proposal in 2008. These are different policy questions and kinds of intervention. The supplied messages support those distinctions, but do not provide repeated positions on the same substantive issue from which a reversal or durable cross-policy stance could be established.

    Experimental Internet Resource Allocations

    Assessment: Insufficient evidence to assess consistency · The 2002 reply explains and defends registry-managed experimental allocations, using IPv6, four-byte ASNs and temporary conference assignments as context. There is only one supplied position on this proposal.

    Conditions: The examples describe the author's historical understanding, not present-day allocation rules.

    The basic premise of the proposal is that the registry system should be handling all Internet Resource allocations and assignments

    A proposal to lower the IPv4 minimum allocation size and initialallocation criteria in the AsiaPacificregion

    Assessment: Insufficient evidence to assess consistency · The 2004 reply asks for the source of an alleged secretariat proposal and invokes the bottom-up process. It does not state a position on the proposal's allocation thresholds.

    Conditions: A question about provenance is not a support or opposition vote.

    Where did you see that proposal from the secretariat?

    BTW, if you don't like the bottom up process, please present a policy proposal to change it.

    Change in the criteria for the recognition of NIRs in the APNIC region

    Assessment: Insufficient evidence to assess consistency · The 2008 reply calls for a clearer problem statement and documented effects on NIRs, governments and the wider APNIC structure. It establishes substantial concerns, but no earlier or later view on this proposal is supplied for comparison.

    Conditions: Substantive criticism must not be reduced to a formal opposition vote that the author did not cast.

    I believe this proposal needs substantial work to resolve the issues I mentioned above.

    As it stands, it has significant impact on the entire APNIC, NIR and LIR structure and relationship; I feel this needs to be carefully considered and documented.

    Experimental Internet Resource Allocations · A proposal to lower the IPv4 minimum allocation size and initialallocation criteria in the AsiaPacificregion

    Assessment: Insufficient evidence to assess consistency · Defending a mechanism for experimental allocations and requesting the provenance of a different IPv4 proposal are not conflicting positions on the same question.

    Conditions: The messages are two years apart and address different policy functions.

    The basic premise of the proposal is that the registry system should be handling all Internet Resource allocations and assignments

    Where did you see that proposal from the secretariat?

    A proposal to lower the IPv4 minimum allocation size and initialallocation criteria in the AsiaPacificregion · Change in the criteria for the recognition of NIRs in the APNIC region

    Assessment: Insufficient evidence to assess consistency · The two later replies seek clarity, respectively about proposal origin and institutional effects. That shared concern is narrower than a demonstrated consistent substantive stance, and neither reply supplies a comparable vote.

    Conditions: Similarity of questioning style alone does not establish policy consistency.

    Where did you see that proposal from the secretariat?

    I believe this proposal needs substantial work to resolve the issues I mentioned above.

    1. Jan 28, 2004 · Question or clarify

      Re: [sig-policy]Proposal prop-014-v001.txt - Lowering minimum allocation size and criteria

      Where did you see that proposal from the secretariat? I know I'm behind with e-mail, and I could have missed something.

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    Per-policy stance timelines:prop-014 · Unknown · Insufficient evidence to assess consistencyprop-060 · Unknown · Insufficient evidence to assess consistencyprop-071 · Unknown · No explicit position statedprop-072 · Unknown · No explicit position statedExperimental Internet Resource Allocations · Support · Insufficient evidence to assess consistencyIPv6 Addresses for Documentation Purposes · Unknown · No explicit position stated

    Total policy messages: 3

  5. Ahmad Alkazimy · Identity unresolved
    Discussion messages1
    First activityDec 18, 2003
    Last activityDec 18, 2003
    First explicit stanceSupport
    Latest explicit stanceSupport
    Stance changes0
    Viewpoint consistencyConsistent
    Other policies0
  6. APNIC Secretariat · Identity unresolved
    Discussion messages0
    First activityUnknown
    Last activityUnknown
    First explicit stanceUnknown
    Latest explicit stanceUnknown
    Stance changes0
    Viewpoint consistencyNo explicit position stated
    Other policies0

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