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APNIC · RIR Watchdog

Change maximum delegation size of IPv4 address from 512 ( /23 ) to 768 (/23+/24) addresses

Start here for the proposal-by-proposal record: what changed, why it mattered, who argued for what, how positions evolved, what was decided, and where the evidence still has gaps.

Source facts

Policy ID
prop-141
RIR
APNIC
Official status
Withdrawn
Normalized status
Withdrawn
Introduced
Feb 18, 2021
Last source update
Oct 14, 2026
Coverage
Partial

Who actually shaped the debate?

4Total participants
2Discussion contributors
2Formal actors
6Discussion messages
1.8Effective participants
100%Top-five discussion share
1People covering 50%
2People covering 80%

Policy evolution

Debate timeline

  1. Official version

    v003

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  2. Introduced

    Introduced

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  3. Official decision

    withdrawn

    withdrawn

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Entities

Freshness: Stale
  1. Bertrand Cherrier · Identity unresolved
    Discussion messages4
    First activityAug 13, 2021
    Last activitySep 20, 2021
    First explicit stanceUnknown
    Latest explicit stanceUnknown
    Stance changes0
    Viewpoint consistencyNo explicit position stated
    Other policies18
  2. Owen DeLong
    Discussion messages2
    First activitySep 8, 2021
    Last activitySep 15, 2021
    First explicit stanceUnknown
    Latest explicit stanceUnknown
    Stance changes0
    Viewpoint consistencyConsistent
    Other policies6
    Freshness: Stale

    Identity verified: Sep 11, 2026

    Hurricane Electric · Historical
    Owen Delong, (Hurricane Electric) stated that the RFC2050 is one of the IETF documents that delegates the number policies and processes to the to RIR system.
    www.ripe.net

    Verified public profiles

    Discussion messages
    2
    First activity
    Sep 8, 2021
    Last activity
    Sep 15, 2021
    First explicit stance
    Unknown
    Latest explicit stance
    Unknown
    Stance changes
    0
    Viewpoint consistency
    Consistent
    Other policies
    6

    First explicit stance: Unknown → Latest explicit stance: Unknown · Stance changes: 0

    Viewpoint consistency: Consistent

    The author consistently opposes the proposal as written and supports replacing exclusive multihoming with a demonstrable unique routing need.

    Modification in the ASN eligibility criteria

    Assessment: Consistent · The author opposes the proposal as written in both messages and consistently proposes a multihoming-or-unique-routing-policy alternative.

    Conditions: The alternative preserves a demonstrable need requirement rather than granting an ASN without a real need.

    All of those would be covered by the ?unique routing policy? language that I proposed. On the other hand, prop-114 as written in the APNIC region proposes ?I want an ASN?? ?OK, here you go.? I think that allowing anyone who wants one to get an ASN without any real need is not a good idea. Owen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/attachments/20150208/7e196d1f/attachment.html>

    1. Sep 8, 2021 · Unknown

      Re: [sig-policy] prop-141-v002: Change maximum delegation, size of IPv4 address from 512 ( /23 ) to 768 (/23+/24) addresses

      Validated evidence is unavailable.

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    2. Sep 15, 2021 · Unknown

      Re: [sig-policy] prop-141-v003: Change maximum delegation, size of IPv4 address from 512 ( /23 ) to 768 (/23+/24) addresses

      Validated evidence is unavailable.

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    Per-policy stance timelines:prop-114 · Oppose · Consistentprop-123 · Unknown · No explicit position statedprop-124 · Unknown · No explicit position statedprop-128 · Unknown · No explicit position statedprop-132 · Unknown · No explicit position statedprop-133 · Unknown · No explicit position statedprop-141 · Unknown · No explicit position stated

    Total policy messages: 171

  3. Simon Sohel Baroi · Identity unresolved
    Discussion messages0
    First activityUnknown
    Last activityUnknown
    First explicit stanceUnknown
    Latest explicit stanceUnknown
    Stance changes0
    Viewpoint consistencyNo explicit position stated
    Other policies0
  4. Aftab Siddiqui
    Discussion messages0
    First activityUnknown
    Last activityUnknown
    First explicit stanceUnknown
    Latest explicit stanceUnknown
    Stance changes0
    Viewpoint consistencyNo explicit position stated
    Other policies10

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